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It’s time for another “What Happened Tonight” multiple choice quiz! Listen to the following dialogue and pick what happened next!

Friend: Hello.
Man: Hi, there. Have we met?
Friend: Yes, you felt me up last time.

What happened next?

A. Man: Oh, I’m so very sorry. I really hope I didn’t offend you.

B. Man: What? Are you sure?

If you picked B, you’re correct! Let’s play on.

Man: What? Are you sure?
Friend: Yes, you were wearing a green t-shirt.

What happened next?

A. Man: God, I was so drunk. I know that that’s no excuse, but please accept my apologies.

B. Man: Well, I mean… Like, neither of you is a feminist, right?

B again it is, my fellow readers! Let’s watch what happened next.

Man: Well, I mean… Neither of you is a feminist, right?
Friend: No, I’m not, but you did feel me up.
Maryanna Fuckin’ Price: I am.
Man: *uncomfortable stare* Well… I mean, I do own a green shirt… Can you prove it?

And then?

A. Everyone laughs it off and the Man offers to buy us a pint.
B. Maryanna makes threatening small talk.
C. He feels Friend up again.

The answer is ALWAYS B, folks.

Maryanna: Yeah, I was there that night. Y’know, it’s the darndest thing. My friend here was really begging me not to hurt you. Ha! Funny thing, that. Fun-ny thing. I don’t think *we’ve* met. My name’s Maryanna. *extends hand to shake*
Man: My name is [Man]. *offers a limp fish to shake; looks surprised and hurt when give a proper handshake* You know, my GIRLFRIEND just moved in from [country]. So, you know, it’s sort of weird to have my GIRLFRIEND living here.
Maryanna: Right, yeah. What do you study, [Man.]
Man: [Nondescript, one-word answer] I’m gonna be heading off, then.

That’s all, folks! This concludes tonight’s quiz. Join us next post for more inexcusable privilege!

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Abortion in the Bible (Warning: Walls of Biblical Text of Jerichoan magnitude)

A few month ago, a friend of mine posted a picture on Facebook with a sign that said “Slavey still exists” as part of an anti-trafficking campaign. Someone thought it was about the forced birth movement’s insistence on systematically stripping women of their human dignity. I argue against the false notion that the Biblical is a “pro-life” document, citing the Bible. The following is a copy/paste of the Facebook exchange. All names have been changed except for mine. All contributors have given their consent for this to be posted, except for Person 4 and Antagonist, who could not be reached. If they read this and take any exception, they may contact me at IreogenousZones@gmail.com.

Please forgive the formatting; I copy/pasted it the best I could. I have deleted the “likes” and the “posted X hours ago” marks. The extra spaces in Antagonist’s first Biblical rant are his original emphasis (read: the formatting disruptions from when he copy/pasted the first anti-woman website he found into a Facebook comment). In order to best present his intended meaning, I have preserved as best as WordPress can render them.

Person 1 what slavery are you referring to ?

Poster well the campaign is mostly about sex slavery. It’s actually a really big issue in America. It’s different than prostitution because the women and children are forced to do it, but at the same time alot of “prostitutes” actually are slaves.
I read a news article that it is actually a problem at the Superbowl, people will secretly sell young girls to the drunken men at the game.

Person 1 ooo yeah thats shitty. i was also thinking more about how the catholic church forces woman to have babies or forces them to keep the child even if the circumstances mean they might both die etc etc. there is all kinds of slavery in the world still.

Antagonist Person 1, ccatholic church aside, abortion is murder. If a man kills a pregnant woman, he is not only charged with the death of the woman, but the death of the unborn child, hence, he is charged with murdering the unborn child. Abortion is murder. Women should have self respect, not give themselves to just any guy out there, but if they are irresponsible and get pregnant, then they should have to have the child, live up to thier responsibility, not kill the child so they dont have to deal with it and take the easy way out. And no I am not catholic.

Person 2 ‎”I believe strongly in taking responsibilities for one’s actions. I believe that people should practice safe sex or abstinence. And I believe that the consequences of an unwanted pregnancy can be worse than the “benefits” of having irresponsible sex. However, in some cases, I believe that abortion IS taking responsibility. Bringing an unwanted child into the world is irresponsible. I am not pro-abortion. I am pro-choice. I believe that every woman should decide what to do with her own body without restrictions placed on her by a strongly religious government that ironically preaches the 200 year old doctrine of the separation of church and state”

Antagonist Right. So in other words, you are for killing children. There is absolutely no difference between a child being in the womb and outside of it. It is still a human being and a life. And what about the father? What if the father wants the child? A woman should be allowed to kill a mans child? You pro choice people are sick.


Person 2 I was just stating my opinion.

Antagonist Which is your right. However, opinions are opinions. I do not choose to live by opinions, but in facts.

Person 3 this is a long one. bear with me. a group of cells in the womb is not a child. it is a group of cells. i know you said you are not catholic but the only reason we find abortion to be so abhorred now is because of the catholic church. when as a matter of fact the church until 1869 did not believe that the soul was present until 90 days after becoming pregnant and “he is not a murderer who brings about abortion before the soul is in the body.” not till pope Pius XI was there any such law banning abortion. and even after that “therapeutic abortion” was considered to be acceptable.

but to put a fine point on it, i am a woman and i personally would never have an abortion but i’ll be damned if someone is going to tell me i can not. this is my body and no matter what someone might tell me it is my right to say what happens to it. and as saint Anselm of Canterbury said ” no human intellect accepts the view that an infant has the rational soul from the moment of conception.” i have a soul and a mind and a body and bills. there are plenty of men who are pro-choice. and if you hate pro-choice so much does that mean that you are anti-choice? why should your beliefs make me and other women suffer? you are not a woman. you have never been the 16 year old victim of rape.

and yes this is my opinion, i respect that you think the way you do because you mean well, but at the same time are hindering the rights of women and their bodies, why should you be able to tell us we have to have children if we don’t want to? is it not the same as telling us that we can not have them? and taking them from us when we do want them?

Person 4 the fact is you have no idea what you are talking about Antagonist, you obviously have been brain washed by fox news into believing that women have no rights when it comes to their own body. how could you say “what about the father’s right?”. What happens when a woman is brutally raped by some man and gets pregnant, huh? I bet your one of those ignorant douches who believe that it must be the girls fault if she got raped, as if she was asking for it. Why don’t you come back when you can think passed your own blinded faith, and you’ve grown up.

Person 4 lol, go 3. I was typing mine at the same time


Person 1 if i got pregnant tomorrow I would abort it. because i am not fully ready for a child. and if that makes me a murderer than so be it! because i refuse to bring another child into this world that would get a crappy life because the parents were not prepared for a child. you only care about creating and preserving “life”, you dont give a shit about what happens to that child once it is born. and I AM a Christian! a bunch of men in churches and government can not tell me what to do with my body and my responsibly to not bring a child into this world when i am not ready for one. untill you have the proper organs for child birth you can not understand.


Person 4 If you had any knowledge when it came to slavery or women forced into sexual slavery you would know the statistics Antagonist. Here’s a few for you: In 2007 27 million people are known to be in forced slavery around the world, and of those 27 million people 70% of all the women get forced into the sex trade. 800,000 people every year are trafficked across international borders, and 1 million children are forced into slavery every year. So lets just take a look at those 27 million people, even if just half were women that would be 13.5 million and 70% of that would be 9.45 million women that are forced to be sexual slaves. So, thats 9.45 million women being constantly raped and you think that they shouldn’t have the choice to abort when they get pregnant. good job

Antagonist Hey, Person 4, first of all idiot, I dont watch fox news. Secondly, to the both of you, Im not basing anything on reliigion. And I dont have to “be the victim of a rape” or whatever other liberal bullshit angel you two want to spin, to know that a Human life is not just a bunch of cells as you call it, but a human being. Abortiion is MURDER. Period. It is the deliberate termination of life. Hence murder. And as far as fathers rights, im not talkling obviously about rape victims. Im talking about a man and a woman who are in a relationship, and the father wann his child ann the woman does not. And ff the rest of you shitheads want to keep posting statistics or whatever else, I just spent the last 5 years as a Military Police Officer and have handled more cases concerning rape and such than all of you combined will HEAR of in your lives.

Being a man has nothing to do with understanding. The simple fact of the matter is that you women want to have unprotected sex, do whatever you want, and when you get pregnant, you dont want to deal with the responsiblities of child care and upbringing. And as far as that childs life, heres an idea, ADOPTION. There are hundreds of thousands of couples out there that do not or cannot have children who want to adopt babies and raise them as their own.

Claiming to be a christian and not living as one doesnt count.

And as for the “good job” asshole, I am responsible for the arrest and conviction of 2 sex slave operations when I was stationed in germany. Aside from running your ignorant liberally brainashed mouths to someone you dont know, what have any of you done to put a stop to “slavery” or sex trafficking? Absolutely nothing but act tough behind the safety of a computer screen.

Poster, I have other things to do than argue with these people who so clearly have their heads so far up their asses they cant breath. Out of respect for you, and because these idiots arent going to change, Im leaving the conversation.


Person 3 dude, chill the frack out. i called no names, i stated my opinion and even stated that i respected yours even though you disagreed. i have no beef with you personally, i believe what i believe because i am a woman and dont feel that someone should dictate to me whether i must have a child or not. i also am offended at your tone and use of the phrase “you women” like we are not people. if you want curses i can curse like a sailor at you but i was trying to explain my position without resorting to that. also in that situation no choice is easy. to give up a baby is a terrible thing to have to do. and the choice to abort is no easier. and i maintain that a group of cells are not a life. they do however have the potential for life.


Person 4 Wow, I can’t believe you just said “all you women who want to have unprotected sex” seriously, thats a good chauvinist way to say that all women are sluts. Obviously you have never read the packaging on condoms that say it isn’t 100% effective but I guess you would have to be able read something other than jarhead republican psycho babble bullshit to know that. I have known plenty of women who have been taken advantage of because of douche bags like you. And it’s people like you that cause doctors that perform those operations to be scared for their life when all they are doing is helping a woman who is in a time of crisis. You don’t have any shred of right to say anything about what a woman should be able to do with her body. I bet you would like it if they just took all rights away from them too, that would make it much easier for you to enforce your “beliefs” on them.

Poster I believe in abortion in some situations. Like rape cases and when the mother’s life is in danger. There are plenty of times where a married man and wife are pregnant but they have to have an abortion because if they don’t both the mother and child are almost guaranteed to die.

I understand not believing in abortion. Howwever I think it is only wrong sometimes. I think women should be more careful, but, for example, a teenage girl with an unsupportive family with a boyfriend who runs away when he finds out she is pregnant shouldn’t be forced to have the child. Yes she could always give it up for adoption, which is often a better choice. But that is only a good option if the girl’s life isn’t endangered by the child. And then she has to wonder and worry whether or not the child was placed with decent people or not.

I also believe abortion is murder, but I also know that killing in self defense is not a sin. It would still be hard to do, and abortion is no something I would ever even consider unless I was going to die.

The name calling was probably directed to Person 4, who started the name calling in the first place. It is hard to not get rialed up after someone calls you a “brainwashed” “ignorant douche”

I don’t entirely agree with Antagonist, but I think the name calling was uncalled for.

He wasn’t saying all women are sluts, he was saying the ones that are sluts and don’t want to pay the consequences.

Person 4. I think you need to calm down. Respect others opinions. There was no need to start name calling. Once you do that it makes it so much harder to have a civilized conversation.




Person 2 I was just stating my opinion and got ripped into. That’s not respectful.




Poster I agree, he was disrespectful to you, 3 and 1. I think it might have been as a backlash effect tho. I agree tho, he shouldn’t have gotten mad at you three




Person 4 the only reason i jumped in is because he decided to start lashing out against Persons 1 and 2. so if your looking at anybody




Person 4 it should be him




Person 4 he has no right to be calling people murderers




Antagonist Thats funny, cause God does. Abortion is considered an ABOMINATION. And as far as rights go, I fought for my right to freedom of speech, as well as yours. Ill say whatever I damn well please.

Poster, Killing as self defense does not fall under, “thou shalt not kill”, you are right about that, however, abortion is not “in defense”. It is one thing for an individual family to save the mother’s life over their childs, that is a decision they must decide and live with. But as you said above (kudos btw) the SLUTS who have sex, get pregnant, and use abortion as a way out, were what I was refering to. But Person 4 wants to use the typical democratic attitude of stereotyping republicans (aka REAL MEN) which is what set me off. To 1 and 3, not that I particularly care, but I wasnt “lashing” out at you two, it was directed at No Balls above.

Oh and btw, the sperm and eggs are both moving and alive. once the sperm fertilizes the egg it is a fetus. At around 3 weeks the fetus has a heart beat, making it a LIFE. Life is a heartbeat. To end a heart beat, is to kill it. To kill is to murder.



Maryanna Price Fun fact, Antagonist, I’m Christian and, unlike you, seem to have read the Bible. I defy you to come up with one Bible passage that supports the forced-birth agenda. And don’t you dare throw that Jeremiah verse at me unless you’re prepared to admit that God was *only* talking to Jeremiah (“[…] and appointed you prophet of all nations.”)




Person 2 Yay Maryanna, the voice of reason.




Antagonist You are a christian so you claim, and yet you do not live the life of a christian. If you had actually read the bible as much as I have, being that I have not just read but studied the entire KJV, you would not be for abortion. THe bible does not refer at all to a woman being with fetus, BUT WITH CHILD.

Abortion is, first and foremost, a sin against God and His Perfect Law, “thou shalt not kill” (Exodus 20:13). The opposite of “giving” life is “taking” life, or in stronger words, “killing” life. The only One with the ability to “give” life is the LORD Creator of Heaven and Earth. “Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN unto ME in Heaven and in Earth” (Matthew 28:18). The LORD Jesus Christ is the “Faithful Creator” (1Peter 4:19). “All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. In Him was Life; and the Life was the Light of men” (John 1:3-4). Therefore, He is the only deserving One to “take” life. Jesus said, “I lay down My Life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again” (John 10:17-18).

Abortion is a sin against ourselves, “in those things whereof ye are now ashamed… for the end of those things is death” (Romans 6:21). Sin destroys our whole being, from that “which is outward in the flesh” (Romans 2:28) to the heart-core of our “inner man” (Ephesians 3:16)– our eternal soul. “But he that sinneth against Me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate Me love death” (Proverbs 8:36).

Abortion is a sin against another human being. “If one man sin against another, the judge shall judge him” (1Samuel 2:25). But abortion is not a sin against just any human being– it’s the ultimate sin against ultimate innocence. “Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths” (Isaiah 59:7). Abortion, as it is commonly used, is murder. “Spake I not unto you, saying, Do not sin against the child; and ye would not hear? therefore, behold, also his blood is required” (Genesis 42:22).

If men strive, and hurt a woman WITH CHILDso that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow, he shall surely be punished, according as the womans husband will aly upon him…..Exodus 21:22

(Thought i might touch on homosexuality here too: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with woman kind: it IS abomination. Leviticus 19:14)




Antagonist But wait! Not done yet!….



Maryanna Price You aren’t supposed to wear mixed fibers or poop inside of your house, ether. I’ll read your points and respond after class.




Antagonist ‎”Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee” (Isaiah 49:15).




Antagonist Maryanne, you are not a christian. You can live in denial all you want. Abortion is murder. You obviously have not read the bible, nor understood it. Im not going to sit here and entertain your misbelief that abortion is not murder or that the bible does not state it as such. A child in the womb is a child. To kill it is murder. It is evil. IT IS ABOMINATION. You call yourself a christian yet have no understanding of the bible, and sit here and attempt to contradict the word of God? And btw, the bible wasnt written to support ANY agenda other than GODS.




Antagonist I. Life is sacred, and it begins at conception.

A. God is the Author of life.

Genesis 2:7

Deuteronomy 30:20

Job 12:10

Psalms 66:9

Isaiah 42:5

Ezekiel 37:10

Daniel 5:23

Zechariah 12:1

Acts 17:25, 28

Hebrews 12:9

B. Only God is entitled to determine the end of one’s life. The deliberate destruction of human life without cause is sin, punishable by death.

Psalms 31:15 “My times are in thine hand.”

1 Corinthians 6:20 “You are not your own, you are bought with a price…”

Exodus 20:13 (cp. Deuteronomy 5:17) “Thou shalt not murder.”

II. Personhood of the Unborn

A. Scripture refers to the unborn as children, not “blobs of tissue.”

1. In Luke 1:36 we read that Elizabeth had “conceived a son.” Notice that the “product of conception,” as pro-aborts would call “it,” is simply called a “baby.”

2. In Matthew 1:18, 23, Mary is said to be “with child.”

3. When Rebekah conceived twins, it says, “the children struggled together within her…” (Genesis 25:22)

B. The unborn child is a separate being, apart from the mother.

1. The unborn child is able to sense such feelings as “joy,” etc.

Luke 1:44, 45 Elizabeth’s “babe leaped in [her] womb for joy.”

2. The unborn babe, independent of the mother, made movements (“leaped”) – so “it” cannot be reduced to merely a “part of the woman’s body” – a necessary step in reducing the issue to that of “a woman’s right.”

3. When Rebekah conceived, “the (twin) children struggled together within her…” (Genesis 25:22) They “struggled,” not she. This reinforces the fact that the unborn child is a separate being apart from the mother. (See also Romans 9:10-11.)

C. The unborn child is clearly a person, according to Exodus 21:22-25 – and causing it to die is murder, punishable: “life for life.. eye for eye, tooth for tooth.”

Exodus 21:22-25 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart [from her], and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges [determine]. And if [any] mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot

D. Even some basic personal characteristics of individuals are determined before birth. Of Jacob, whose name means supplanter, we read: “he (implying personhood) took his brother (also implying personhood, based on their biological relationship) by the heel in the womb.” (Genesis 25:21-24)

III. The Plan of God.

When we presume to play God, we interfere with the plan of the Creator.

A. God has a plan for each life, established at conception.

Psalms 139:13-16

Isaiah 49:1, 5

Jeremiah 1:5

Galatians 1:15

B. Abortion is the direct interference with that plan and, thus, a direct defiance of God’s will. This truth is clearly presented in both the Old and New Testaments.
Jeremiah 1:5 “While you were being formed in the belly of the womb,” God told the prophet Jeremiah, “I knew you and ordained (intended for) you to be a prophet to the nations.”

Isaiah 49:1, 5 “The Lord hath called me from the womb, from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name… to be his servant, to bring Jacob again unto him…”

Galatians 1:15 Paul said he was “called from my mother’s womb.”

Psalms 139:13-16 The psalmist wrote of his being “formed in secret,” in his mother’s womb, referring to himself in such a state, “yet imperfect (incomplete),” as “I” – that is, a person (Psalm 139:13-16).

C. God reigns sovereign over the timing and circumstances of birth and conception. “In the fulness of time, God sent His Son” – just as He raised up Moses, Isaiah, Deborah, etc. – “for such a time as this.”




Antagonist A CHILD IS NOT A MOLE OR A TUMOR OR AN EXTRA ORGAN THAT CAN SIMPLY BE REMOVED. IT IS ITS OWN HUMAN BEING, ITS OWN LIFE, AND TO KILL A LIFE IS MURDER. IT IS NOT THE WOMANS RIGHT TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT A HUMAN BEING LIVES. IF A MAN KILLS A WOMAN WHO IS PREGNANT HE IS CHARGED WITH TWO YES TWO MURDERS. TO KILL AN UNBORN CHILD WHETHER IT IS THE MOTHER WHO DOES IT OR SOMEONE ELSE IS MURDER. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.




Antagonist And the part about Jeremiah, even though God was telling him that he will be the prophet…..he FIRST said that “While you were being formed in the womb” -yet again another bble reference to an unborn child being a human not a fetus.

You Pro-Murder people make me sick.




Antagonist I hve proven you wrong over and over again. not just with scripture but also with logic. That being said I will leave with this:

“Be not Decieved, God is not mocked. For whatsoever a man soweth, That shall he also Reap.” -Galatians 6:7



Maryanna Price You say I “do not live the life of a Christian.” You know nothing about me. Instead of pointing out your blatant misogyny or ask you why a zygote conceived in rape is different from a zygote (FYI: 1 sperm + 1 egg = zygote, not fetus) conceived consensually or even reminding you that ultrasounds weren’t invented until sometime in the last fifty years, I’m content to merely rip your argument to shreds.

I’m not one to boast about being a linguist, but it does seem worth noting that the Bible was not written in English. The majority of the English versions that do exist say “pregnant woman” and, even if they didn’t, “with child” is a tenuous basis for your argument, considering we don’t talk about “bun in the oven” or a “visit from the stork” being literal, either. Also, the punishment for making a woman give birth prematurely is a fine, not death. If you had bothered to read the relevant passage instead of copy/pasting what your favorite website says, you’d see that Exodus 21:22 (taken form your King James) says “If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart [from her], and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges [determine].” That is, pay a fine. Exodus 21:23 says that “And if [any] mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life.” That is, taking other translations: New International Version: “But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life”; GOD’S WORD Translation: “If anyone is injured, the offender must pay a life for a life”; and the Bible in Basic English: “But if damage comes to her, let life be given in payment for life.” I’m not sure where you get “pay a fine for a miscarriage, kill a man for killing your wife” to mean “A BABY FOREVER!!!!!!,” but let’s move on.

Matthew 28:18 and the rest of your second paragraph is just Jesus talking about himself and God doing things that a savior and a god would do: giving life, having power, being creators of things, et cetera. Unless you are vegetarian and buy only vegan products, against war and capital punishment and keep every insect in your home alive, you, too, are in violation of God’s “perfect law.” In John 10:17-18, Jesus is talking about laying down his own life via the command he got from God. Not about abortion.

Romans 6:21 says absolutely nothing about abortion. It says that we are slaves to sin, the punishment of which is death. It does not say that abortion is a sin, nor have you, to this point, provided a verse that does. I’m not arguing that sin isn’t bad, but you have yet to enumerate any sins specifically mentioning abortion.



Maryanna Price ‎1st Samuel 2:25 is a tricky one. You almost had me, except I read the rest of the chapter. Samuel 2:22-25: “22 By this time Eli was very old. He kept getting reports on how his sons were ripping off the people and sleeping with the women who helped out at the sanctuary. 23 Eli took them to task: “What’s going on here? Why are you doing these things? I hear story after story of your corrupt and evil carrying on. 24 Oh, my sons, this is not right! These are terrible reports I’m getting, stories spreading right and left among God’s people! 25 If you sin against another person, there’s help – God’s help. But if you sin against God, who is around to help?” Eli’s son was, basically, sleeping with nuns. No abortion to see here. The entire book of Isaiah is a prophecy about the deliverance of Israel from the hands of Babylon, with God talking about Zion. They talk about the “sin-babies” in Isaiah 59:4. All of these horrible things, yet God will be their redeemer. Even on the off chance that abortion is murder and that we are all Israel, God still loves us. I do seem to remember something about God loving everyone being mentioned off-handedly once or twice in Sunday school…

If you want to play the “gays are yucky” card, I suggest you read the rest of Leviticus, wherein cattle are forbidden to graze with other breeds of cattle, different kinds of crops are forbidden from being together in the same field and clothing cannot be made of more than one fabric (all Leviticus 19:19). You should bar people with flat noses, blind eyes or lame legs from going to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18) and anyone who curses or blasphemes God, say by misrepresenting his holy text, should be stoned by the community, as per Leviticus 24:14-16.

Bringing up Isaiah again (49:15), you talk about the “son of her womb.” I am of my mother’s womb, as you are of yours. Being “of someone’s womb” simply means you are their child. New International: “Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you!” In those days, when Christianity was in competition with Roman tradition, it was not uncommon for a woman to leave her newborn out to die if it were unhealthy. This speaks to those they hope to convert, saying that, unlike the Roman (gods) who leave their ‘children’ to the elements, God will take up all of his children into the Kingdom. This is not about abortion.



Maryanna Price My name is “Maryanna,” by the way. If you read the Bible as closely as you read Facebook posts, I’m not surprised you’re confused.

“I. Life is sacred, and it begins at conception.”

You have yet to prove this.

“Genesis 2:7 [7 God formed Man out of dirt from the ground and blew into his nostrils the breath of life. The Man came alive – a living soul!]”

Glad you brought this up! See, I was never arguing that God didn’t create life and, thanks to you, I don’t have to dig up my passage again. Here we clearly see that God blew the “breath of life” into Man’s nostrils, supporting the notion that life begins at first breath.

“Deuteronomy 30:20 [20 And love God, your God, listening obediently to him, firmly embracing him. Oh yes, he is life itself, a long life settled on the soil that God, your God, promised to give your ancestors, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.]”

God is love. Again, I was never contesting that. All this verse says is that God is life (I should note that I have never heard anybody else make the argument that God is a fetus. Ten style points for you) and that he promised the ancestors’ of Moses a homeland.

“Job 12:10 [10 Every living soul, yes, every breathing creature?]”

This is a question, but let’s assume the answer is “yes.” The preceding passage (which includes the beginning of the sentence) is: “ Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this, in whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind?” As we saw in Genesis, life begins at first breath and, in this passage, there could be argued a reaffirmation that breathing = living.

“Psalms 66:9 [9 Didn’t he set us on the road to life? Didn’t he keep us out of the ditch?]”

Again, I’m not usually a braggart, but I did learn about metaphors in elementary school. I never said that God did not set life in motion, nor did I say that life is not a thing, but you must realize that this is figurative language. If you don’t, then fine. He set us “on the road” to life. If I am to take the preparations and precautions my parents take before sending me somewhere, being “set” would include a bag lunch, some warm mittens and a kiss on the forehead. God spurred biology, such that we would have food (umbilical cord) and warmth (uterus), but, just like my parents couldn’t prevent me from skidding on ice when I was actually on the road, God doesn’t seem to have much of a vested interest or power after that point. Miscarriages, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome and, yes, even abortion, sometimes serve as speed bumps that we just need to deal with. We are being “set” on the road to life as we grow and develop in utero, but we aren’t on the life-road just yet. The rest of this Psalm talks about God “training us” and “passing us like silver through refining fires,” and “pushing us to our very limit.” Those all sound like trials we undergo during life (you know, the one during which we breath, think and do things), not anything we need to do while we’re sitting, unthinkingly in the womb.

“Isaiah 42:5 [5 God’s Message, the God who created the cosmos, stretched out the skies, laid out the earth and all that grows from it, Who breathes life into earth’s people, makes them alive with his own life.]”



Maryanna Price God made Earth and life begins at first breath. We’ve done this one before.

“Ezekiel 37:10 [10 So I prophesied, just as he commanded me. The breath entered them and they came alive! They stood up on their feet, a huge army.]”

They became alive when they first took a breath. Unless you can prove that a fetus (or even a baby!) can stand on its feet, I’m pretty sure you took this out of context.

“Daniel 5:23 [23 Look at you, setting yourself up in competition against the Master of heaven! You had the sacred chalices from his Temple brought into your drunken party so that you and your nobles, your wives and your concubines, could drink from them. You used the sacred chalices to toast your gods of silver and gold, bronze and iron, wood and stone – blind, deaf, and imbecile gods. But you treat with contempt the living God who holds your entire life from birth to death in his hand.]”

God holds out lives in his hand from birth until death. Typically, birth happens well after conception and a full six months after 90% of abortions happen.

“Zechariah 12:1”
The actual text of Zechariah 12:1 merely says “War Bulletin,” as a title. The rest of Zechariah 12 says: “2 “Watch for this: I’m about to turn Jerusalem into a cup of strong drink that will have the people who have set siege to Judah and Jerusalem staggering in a drunken stupor. 3 “On the Big Day, I’ll turn Jerusalem into a huge stone blocking the way for everyone. All who try to lift it will rupture themselves. All the pagan nations will come together and try to get rid of it. 4 “On the Big Day” – this is God speaking – “I’ll throw all the war horses into a crazed panic, and their riders along with them. But I’ll keep my eye on Judah, watching out for her at the same time that I make the enemy horses go blind. 5 The families of Judah will then realize, ‘Why, our leaders are strong and able through God-of-the-Angel-Armies, their personal God.’ 6 “On the Big Day, I’ll turn the families of Judah into something like a burning match in a tinder-dry forest, like a fiercely flaming torch in a barn full of hay. They’ll burn up everything and everyone in sight – people to the right, people to the left – while Jerusalem fills up with people moving in and making themselves at home – home again in Jerusalem. 7 “I, God, will begin by restoring the common households of Judah so that the glory of David’s family and the leaders in Jerusalem won’t overshadow the ordinary people in Judah. 8 On the Big Day, I’ll look after everyone who lives in Jerusalem so that the lowliest, weakest person will be as glorious as David and the family of David itself will be godlike, like the Angel of God leading the people. 9 “On the Big Day, I’ll make a clean sweep of all the godless nations that fought against Jerusalem. 10 “Next I’ll deal with the family of David and those who live in Jerusalem. I’ll pour a spirit of grace and prayer over them. They’ll then be able to recognize me as the One they so grievously wounded – that piercing spear-thrust! And they’ll weep – oh, how they’ll weep! Deep mourning as of a parent grieving the loss of the firstborn child. 11 The lamentation in Jerusalem that day will be massive, as famous as the lamentation over Hadad-Rimmon on the fields of Megiddo: 12 Everyone will weep and grieve, the land and everyone in it: The family of David off by itself and their women off by themselves; The family of Nathan off by itself and their women off by themselves; 13 The family of Levi off by itself and their women off by themselves; The family of Shimei off by itself and their women off by themselves; 14 And all the rest of the families off by themselves and their women off by themselves.”

All I got from this was that God turn the families of Judah into a murderous horde on the “Big Day” and that he’s going to commit a mass genocide on all nations outside of Jerusalem.

“Acts 17:25, 28 [“[…] 25 or need the human race to run errands for him, as if he couldn’t take care of himself. He makes the creatures; the creatures don’t make him; 28 “We live and move in him, can’t get away from him! One of your poets said it well: ‘We’re the God-created.’]”

In Acts 17, a man comes across a shrine to God and asks what the dealio is. The people expound upon the graces of God, including that “24 “The God who made the world and everything in it, this Master of sky and land, doesn’t live in custom-made shrines 25 or need the human race to run errands for him, as if he couldn’t take care of himself. He makes the creatures; the creatures don’t make him. 26 Starting from scratch, he made the entire human race and made the earth hospitable, with plenty of time and space for living 27 so we could seek after God, and not just grope around in the dark but actually find him. He doesn’t play hide-and-seek with us. He’s not remote; he’s near. 28 We live and move in him, can’t get away from him! One of your poets said it well: ‘We’re the God-created.’”

As I have said time and again, I never said we weren’t God created, just that abortion was not murder. Your argument has only proven to me (who was already a believer) that God is a Creator.

“Hebrews 12:9 [9 We respect our own parents for training and not spoiling us, so why not embrace God’s training so we can truly live?]”

This tells us to live by Gods teachings which, as of yet, have not included a prohibition of abortion.

“Psalms 31:15 [15 My times are in thy hand: deliver me from the hand of mine enemies , and from them that persecute me.]”

A man entreats God to protect him. This is already an established role of God and, indeed, a big reason for many of the people who worship Him.



Maryanna Price “1 Corinthians 6:20 [20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.]”

God is within all of us. This is a central pillar of belief in Quakerism. Unless you mean to argue again that God is a fetus, I can’t follow your logic here. Even if you do want to argue that, that would mean only pregnant women are godly, which is also laughable, since society didn’t discover that women were people until sometime in the mid-1950s.

“Exodus 20:13, Deuteronomy 5:17 [Thou shalt not murder.]”
Oxford English Dictionary: “The deliberate and unlawful killing of a human being, esp. in a premeditated manner.”

Even if a fetus were a person, abortion is lawful in the U.S. and, as such, abortion is not murder. I’m not one to argue semantics, but the preponderance of passages stating explicitly that life begins with first breath are going to back me up with this one.

“ Luke 1:36 [“36 And, behold , thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.”]

If you ignore verses 34 and 35 (“34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be , seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”), this could almost make a coherent argument. However, this is an angel talking to a woman telling her about what God is going to do to her and her family. God intervenes sometimes and I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t do so to a woman he knew was going to get an abortion. This is also supported by the fact that neither of these pregnancies were spontaneously miscarried, as can also happen. God is very specific about these particular pregnancies being of interest to him.

“In Matthew 1:18-23 [13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; 14 And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; 15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; 16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. 17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations. 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together , she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example , was minded to put her away privily. 20 But while he thought on these things, behold , the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying , Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22 Now all this was done , that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying , 23 Behold , a virgin shall be with child , and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is , God with us.]”

Bible wasn’t written in English, “with child” is a common term, other translations don’t say it that way, blah blah blah. The Greek (I’m not sure if it will show up on Facebook) was :” Ἰδοὺ ἡ παρθένος ἐν γαστρὶ ἕξει καὶ τέξεται υἱόν, καὶ καλέσουσιν τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ Ἐμμανουήλ, ὅ ἐστιν μεθερμηνευόμενον Μεθ’ ἡμῶν ὁ θεός.” The translation is along the lines of “And the virgin will conceive and bear a son and they will name him Emmanuel, which means “God is with us.” Did I mention I speak Ancient Greek? It may come as a surprise to you that the Bible wasn’t originally written in Greek, either, but this verb is “conceive” and, while it means the same damned thing as “be with child [but not actually a propaganda picture of three month-old covered in Spaghetti-Os that you think is an abortion],” you don’t seem to know what that means either.



Maryanna Price “Genesis 25:22 [22 And the children struggled together within her; and she said , If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD]”

A baby-to-be in the womb kick all the time. In this particular instance, God set apart this family to conceive and bear the fathers of nations. Rebekah thought she was barren, so her conceiving is already a miracle. If we read a bit further… “23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger. 24 And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled , behold, there were twins in her womb. 25 And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau. 26 And after that came his brother out , and his hand took hold on Esau’s heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.” Well, now, Jacob and Esau are fighting despite being only a few seconds old. This doesn’t happen when your babies weren’t hand-picked and hand-crafted for the express purpose of founding nations under God.

“Luke 1:44 [44 For, lo , as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.]”

This baby is Jesus; he’s something of an outlier in the course of conceptions. Most virgins tend not to get pregnant, for starters. Even if this hadn’t just been a poorly-reported kick from a pregnant fourteen year-old girl, this is still a Jesus-kick. A newborn isn’t capable of feeling joy, so I sincerely doubt the average fetus can.

“The unborn babe, independent of the mother, made movements (“leaped”) – so “it” cannot be reduced to merely a “part of the woman’s body.”

I get leg spasms sometimes because I was in a truck accident and, when I haven’t eaten for a while, my stomach starts rumbling. I’ve been nervous and felt my heart “leap” to my throat as I struggle for words and I’ll be damned if you want to start giving those parts of me rights.

After this point, you requote your passages about Exodus and Rebekah’s striving children because you copy/pasted this from a Google search instead of writing it yourself. The person who wrote “D. Even some basic personal characteristics of individuals are determined before birth. Of Jacob, whose name means supplanter, we read: “he (implying personhood) took his brother (also implying personhood, based on their biological relationship) by the heel in the womb.” (Genesis 25:21-24)” didn’t even read the Bible when they were throwing this list together, because Jacob doesn’t grab Esau until verse 26, at which point they are both already ex utero..

“Psalms 139:13-16 [13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb. 14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made : marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. 15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. 16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written , which in continuance were fashioned , when as yet there was none of them.]”

God makes life and he (via biology) makes life develop and happen. ‘Kay…?

“Isaiah 49:1, 5 [1 Listen , O isles, unto me; and hearken , ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. 2 And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me; 3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified . 4 Then I said , I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my God. 5 And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered , yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.]”

“My name is Isaiah and I was chosen specifically by God to lead you all.”

“Jeremiah 1:5 [5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.]”

God ordained Jeremiah a prophet and had a special interest in him. Show me the parts of the Bible where God lays out his plan for each and every one of us and not just the ones who play a special part in his master plan.4 hours ago · Like




Maryanna Price “Galatians 1:15 [15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb, and called me by his grace, 16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood]”

Other translations include: New International (“But when God, who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace, was pleased”); English Standard (“But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace,”); and English Revised (“But when it was the good pleasure of God, who separated me, even from my mother’s womb, and called me through his grace”). This speaker makes a very clear point that it’s a big deal that he is separated from EVERYTHING, “EVEN from my mother’s womb.” This is not a typical state, it seems, or else there would be no need for him to draw attention to it.

“Psalms 139:13-16 The psalmist wrote of his being “formed in secret,” in his mother’s womb, referring to himself in such a state, “yet imperfect (incomplete),” as “I” – that is, a person (Psalm 139:13-16).”

Puh-leeze. This is the weakest one yet. Paul is already born, so it’s easy to talk about oneself in utero. “When my mother was pregnant, I gave her diabetes.” We have no conception of being something other than ourselves, so of course Paul we talk about himself that way. Not only that, but that author of the list even claims that Paul was “incomplete.” Also, please, please, please proof-read your arguments first to make sure you aren’t posting the same four passages over and over.

“[ALL CAPS]”

A man who kills a pregnant woman can be charged with two murders and, frankly, I disagree with that. It forms a slippery slope designed to slowly erode a woman’s bodily autonomy. Women since ancient times have found ways to terminate pregnancies and, if it is a sin, that’s for God to decide, not for you to dictate.

“And the part about Jeremiah, even though God was telling him that he will be the prophet…..he FIRST said that “While you were being formed in the womb” – yet again another bble reference to an unborn child being a human not a fetus.”

Which is just inaccurate; a fetus is an actual science term of development, not just liberal claptrap. It’s the same reason we have a word for “toddlers.” What you’re doing is asking for the equivalent of calling a newborn a teenager.

Now, it’s my turn.



Maryanna Price You already did me the favor of putting up Genesis 2:7, wherein life begins when God breathes into Adam. In Job 33:4 (“4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.”), we see the pattern continuing, with life beginning with the breath God gave us. This is further and more explicitly demonstrated in Ezekiel 37: 5-6 (“5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live : 6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live ; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.”) We don’t live until we have sinews, flesh/muscle, skin AND breath. By your logic, a harlequin fetus would never, ever be alive even after birth.

I’ve argued you down from Exodus 21:22, where God explicitly says that a forced miscarriage is worth less than a murder. Since women pay for abortions, the “fine” is already paid and, therefore, it’s all good.

If God cared so much about fetuses, he would not call for the murder of pregnant women so often, as he does in Genesis 38:24 (“24 And it came to pass about three months after, that it was told Judah, saying , Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot ; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said , Bring her forth , and let her be burnt.”), Numbers 31:17-18 (“17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.”) and Psalms 137:8 (“O Babylon, you will be destroyed. Happy is the one who pays you back for what you have done to us.”). I can only assume that in the Numbers passage, there would be at least one pregnant woman among them, considering the lack of contraception. It’s heartening to know how much God loves virgins, though, allowing them to be taken for what I can only assume will be ice cream and a pizza party. In Psalms, Babylon is to be destroyed and he makes no exception for the pregnant women therein.

Monetary value to God is less for children and nonexistent for fetuses, as shown by Leviticus 27:6 (“6 And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver.”). Children under one month of age aren’t even considered in a census: Numbers 3:15 (“15 Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them.”)



Maryanna Price God regularly uses abortion as a punishment or as a means of testing fidelity:

*Numbers 5:12-31 calls for women suspected of being unfaithful to drink a concoction that will cause an abortion if she broke her vows (12 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man’s wife go aside , and commit a trespass against him, 13 And a man lie with her carnally , and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close , and she be defiled , and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner; 14 And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled : or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled : 15 Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance . 16 And the priest shall bring her near , and set her before the LORD: 17 And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take , and put it into the water: 18 And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman’s head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse : 19 And the priest shall charge her by an oath , and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse : 20 But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled , and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband: 21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot , and thy belly to swell; 22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell , and thy thigh to rot : And the woman shall say , Amen, amen. 23 And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water: 24 And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse : and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter. 25 Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman’s hand, and shall wave the offering before the LORD, and offer it upon the altar: 26 And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water. 27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled , and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell , and her thigh shall rot : and the woman shall be a curse among her people. 28 And if the woman be not defiled , but be clean; then she shall be free , and shall conceive seed. 29 This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled ; 30 Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law. 31 Then shall the man be guiltless from iniquity, and this woman shall bear her iniquity.)

*Hosea 9:11-14, wherein God says he will doom a people to being barren, a people who will miscarry and who will be punished solidly by God (11 As for Ephraim, their glory shall fly away like a bird, from the birth , and from the womb, and from the conception. 12 Though they bring up their children, yet will I bereave them, that there shall not be a man left: yea, woe also to them when I depart from them! 13 Ephraim, as I saw Tyrus, is planted in a pleasant place: but Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer . 14 Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give ? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.)



Maryanna Price ‎*God kills babies. Exodus 11:4-5: “4 And Moses said ,Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into the midst of Egypt: 5 And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die , from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sitteth upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts.”

…and cattle. “Exodus 12:29 And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon ; and all the firstborn of cattle.”

Women aren’t people, according to the Bible, so it should matter a lot less what sins women commit than men. I’ve struggled with my faith, not because I LOVE TO KILL BABIES, as you would have people believe, but because this God has so little regard for the safety or lives of women. If nothing else, I’m inclined to say that God wouldn’t give a crap if we were to abort female fetuses.

Abortion is not anything you will ever have to deal with, so I suggest you butt out. If it is an affront to God, that’s for him to sort out. If you want, I’m more than happy to provide you with secular arguments in favor of abortion.



Maryanna Price I’m sorry for being belligerent , Poster. I’m glad you’re raising awareness for sex trafficking. Also, you look very pretty (if appropriately somber).

Person 4 I have read the bible also and never remember the exact
words “abortion is an abomination” being in there. Also if you didn’t know what you know as the “bible” is books that were chosen by men in a room hundreds of years ago, not by god. And Iam more of a man than you will ever be kid.




Antagonist Maryanna, you can twist the bible however you want. You are the one who has to answer to God for it.

Person 4, you are a pussy. You dont have the balls to do anything that Ive done. I hope you are enjoying the freedoms that Ive foughten to give you. Just Shut the fuck up, go cower in your corner, and enjoy the freedoms that better men have given you.



Maryanna Price I don’t care if you go away, but could you at least tell me if you read my eleven and a half pages of response?

Also, there are liberal soldiers, the only thing you fought for was the right to gas under $3.50 and you failed miserably at that, too.




Antagonist Whatever. You people are worthless. I have better things to do than argue with children on facebook. And for your information bitch, The year I spent in afghanistan was for your right to be such a dumb twat, amongst other things, like your right to live without the oppression of the muslim’s cult called islam. I lost friends and brothers in arms over there. Until you have seen combat dont even open your mouth about it



Maryanna Price I’m sorry you watched people die, but I don’t remember any point at which Muslims were trying to take over the U.S., nor anyone trying to impede my right to be a “dumb twat.”



Maryanna Price And you still haven’t answered my question.




Antagonist Then you are even more clueless. And yes I read all of it. As I said, if you want to misinterpret the bible, that is something you will have to answer to God for. What the hell do you think Sharia Law is?



Maryanna Price Sharia law actively encourages the use of contraception and a few guys running into a building, while tragic, is hardly the same as tens of thousands of “Muslim baddies” marching onto U.S. soil to forcibly make us believe in their religion.

See, the fun part is you’re trying to impose a theocracy, despite having “foughten [sic]” for my rights which, under the U.S. Constitution include the right to freedom of (and from) religion and, thanks to Roe v. Wade, the right to privately terminate a pregnancy.




Antagonist Wow. Maybe you should actually look at roe vs wade and its background. Abortion is murder and like murder should be illegal. You are absolutely clueless as to what sharia law is. It is the imposing of islmaic rule against all nations; to either convert the infidels to islam or kill them. People like you who are clueless as to what sharia law is and/or are tolerant of it are destroying America.



Maryanna Price I know a lot about Roe v. Wade, actually, which was more about physicians’ rights than those of women but did establish a woman’s right to control what happens to her body.

And, again, planes into buildings =/= imposing Islamic rule on all nations of the Earth. I was merely pointing out that sharia seems to care about women more than you, which should come as a surprise to exactly no one who has seen the hateful, spiteful shit pouring from your mouth since this morning.




Antagonist Sharia Law as well as Islam strips ALL rights FROM women!!!! Put down the crack pipe!



Maryanna Price Not all Islam. Read a book and stop pretending everyone with a Koran wants to be the next Hitler.




Antagonist Sharia Law is what that man who RAPED his wife used as an excuse to get away with it! Do you not pay attention to the news? Women have no rights under sharia law. Wow. You are straight retarded.



Maryanna Price Women have no rights under Biblical law, either. Try harder. I know that we both have better things to do right now, so I’m going to step away from this conversation. I enjoyed it fully, but I think it would be best if we debated other people.




Person 4 Wow the more you talk the number you sound, Islam was the first to give women rights you dumb ass. If you had any knowledge of history you would know that Muhammad is the one who started the struggle for women’s rights. He even worked for his wife who was a business owner. So before you go talking make sure you know what the fuck you are talking about. And I will fucking take you any time any day any where. Nobody is scared of your ignorant midgit ass.




Antagonist hahahaha! little boy, if you only knew. And for your information, ive read the entire koran and was taught islam by my 4 afghani interpreters. Keep opening your mouth scrawny boy. Your ignorance is hilarious.




Person 4 Obviously you never learned anything, and if you knew who I was you wouldn’t be talking half the shit that comes out of your racist sexist hate spewing mouth




Antagonist wow. way to live up to the liberal agenda. first of all asshole, im not racist. secondly, im not sexist either. wow you are way too fucking stupid to even insult properly. You are a scrawny white boy. Im a former active duty army military police officer and a war veteran. So aside from liberal pussy neverwas, who are you? Absolutely nothing. Thats what you are.



Maryanna Price You say that all Muslims want to impose Sharia law and that any woman who gets an abortion for reasons other than health, rape or incest is a whore. At the very least, you’re incredibly ignorant and, considering your insults to me have all involved calling me a “bitch” or a “twat” and that you say “you women” as though we were a different species, I’m definitely going to push you into the “sexist” category.




Antagonist NO, i did not say that. I said that slutty women use abortion as an easy way out. Good Job not paying attention. And YOU are a stupid twat. To be sexist I would have to believe that ALL women are stupid twats. And I also never siad that ALL muslims want to do anything. I said that that was what sharia law is about. None of you know shit about shit. Just go back to your corners, keep getting brainwashed by your college proffessors, and let the REAL men and women protect you. Sit! Stay!



Maryanna Price ‎”Sharia Law as well as Islam strips ALL rights FROM women!!!! Put down the crack pipe!”

Sounds like you said that Islam wants to strip rights from women to me, champ.

Abortion is no easy way out and to assume as much is to say that women are thoughtless in their actions.

I’m not brainwashed by anyone and I sincerely hope you live long enough to pull your head out of your ass. It’s going to take some considerable time.




Person 4 Sharia law is one thing, and you know how many islamic countries actually have sharia law? not very many, most muslims don’t want sharia law that is why most islamic countries are secular. (for you Antagonist who didn’t go to school and likes to not read it means seperation of religion and government). Turkey whose population is 98% muslim is one of the most secular countries in the world.

At this point, the conversation pretty much ended. Antagonist may have called Person 4 a pussy again and I probably repeated some of my points, but nothing worth having saved seems to have happened. About an hour after having saved this conversation, the Poster took down the original picture and conversation thread and reposted a similar picture later. There was no subsequent discussion.

A Modest Proposal for the Culture of LIFE

Maryanna Price

8102 Rhode Island Ave.

College Park, MD 20740

April 1, 2011

Dear Sirs and Madams of the 112th Congress of the United States (and any of you America-hating fascists in the dumbocrat Senate),

It has recently come to my attention that LIFE is an inalienable right to which all people, born and unborn, have a right. This right to LIFE is paramount and should be maintained at any cost, even if it means sacrificing the well-being of already born persons. It means that, in order to preserve LIFE, we should make sure that everyone considers their every action with careful measure, lest they do something that endangers their or another’s LIFE.

That is why I come to you today asking to put forth some new legislation to protect LIFE at all stages, especially as it relates to women making decisions about their LIVES and the LIVES of others. They are outlined below.

1. Compulsory organ donation. Everyday, there are millions of perfectly healthy people walking around with two organs of the same type. This is clearly unacceptable. I’ve heard the argument that women who abort are being selfish and shouldn’t be allowed to, considering how many families there are in want of a child. I haven’t got the statistics any later than 2009, but I’m heartened to hear that each and every one of the 423,773 children who were in foster care were readily adopted by these philanthropists. Considering we need women to give up their uterus’ for the desires of others, it only stands to reason that everyone should be so generous. To that end, I propose a bill that would require all healthy adults over the age of 18 (or under, with parental consent) donate one of each organ that have a duplicate of and that all citizens be required to donate their remaining organs upon death. This will save countless LIVES of people (children, even!) who would have otherwise languished in hospitals untreated.

2. A new bill proposed in Georgia would criminalize some types of miscarriages. This is a great first step! However, we can’t trust women to not spontaneously abort the second they step outside of Georgia’s borders, so I recommend a bill that would codify this sterling piece of legislation into nationwide law. Any woman who miscarries should be directed to the nearest hospital to get a full physical, then questioned by an expert team of politicians and IRS auditors.

3. Protecting the unborn and pre-unborn. All women between the ages of 12 and 48 are to report with their lawful husbands to a clinic before any and all instances of intercourse. In the interest of preserving any potential life, we need to assure that mating takes place in a controlled environment, where it can be observed by scientists. After mating, the man may leave as he pleases, but the woman will, naturally, need to stay for testing and a two-month quarantine. If she has conceived, she’ll remain there for the rest of her pregnancy. Nine months isn’t that long, is it? It’s not as though she would have been doing anything else with that time if she didn’t have kids. Women who fail to conceive will be looked at suspiciously, given a fruit basket and sent home.

4. Personhood for all. Too many people are getting amputations willy-nilly because they’re worried about “gangrene” or think they can’t handle living with a crushed hand. I’m here today to tell you that that’s a bold-faced lie. Here are people who just refuse to suck it up and take responsibility for their new lot in life. Therefore, I stand up and demand that all are given personhood. No more will helpless legs and arms be tossed into the trash by these heartless monsters.

5. Voting rights for all. I used to be blind to how SCIENCE actually works. Fooled by my Evolutionist upbringing, I actually thought that there were stages of development, from zygote, to embryo, to fetus, to infant, to toddler, to child, to preadolescent, to adolescent and so on. I now know that over 9,000,000,000,000 CHILDREN are aborted every day in the United States alone and we need to protect them. The only way to do this is to assure that everyone has a voice in politics. Since these age labels are just propaganda to convince women to kill their CHILDREN and that there is no developmental difference whatsoever between a zygote and a seven year-old, it only stands to reason that a seven year-old is equal to a person in their mid-thirties. It’s a baby, not a toaster! There isn’t some magical day when we all the sudden become smart enough to think about political candidates. I won’t stand by idly while children are systematically stripped of their rights. Children from birth should be given the right to vote. I’m unaware if the technology exists to poll the unborn, but it should be a top priority of our nation to develop it.

6. Eliminate birthdays. Too long have we ignored the halcyon memories of the first nine months of our lives. No longer will we crassly skip past our formative period, distracted by the saccharine fog of friendship, Pooh Bear cakes and clowns. All records should be bumped back approximately nine months to show the true ages of each and every human in our fine nation. To that end, we must also have Conception Certificates and Birth Certificates, lest anyone try to usurp any position of standing in our nation. No longer will children be forced to ignore their innocent memories just because a bunch of pro-abort feminazis want the right to kill their CHILDREN. With conception days, we effectively do two things: 1) We remove the central role on the mother. Giving birth? Whatever. This is about your CHILD, not you. The Me Culture has gone too far in ignoring our children. 2) Allow us all, in a tender way, to access those memories again, of a safer time when we were all still innocent. It will take several generations for us to overcome the prohibition on TRUTH that this nation has hammered into our heads, but with enough time and support from our local communities, we’ll all be able to remember the whole of our lives, instead of just starting with birth. I hope to elevate each and every trimester to the same glowing position in which we revere our crisp memories of our first and second birthdays.

7. Viagra, breast implants and plastic surgery will no longer be covered by insurances and those that do will require a special account and an extra check to pay for. These are unnatural tinkerings with the LORD GOD’s work and it is a sleight against LIFE itself to think that we  should tamper with his design. LIFE is precious and should remain unadulterated in any way. To this end, I also implore my esteemed representatives to make legislation against all things that are unnatural to LIFE, including (but not limited to) pain killers, hair cuts, all medicine not ground from plants, lipstick, cars, airplanes, televisions and clothing not made of animal pelts.

8. A constitutional amendment to demand responsibility. Women are having sex and aborting their babies the next day because they don’t want to take responsibility in their lives. That is why I demand a law against being irresponsible and all associated laws. The good, GOD-fearing people of the U.S. have already dodged a bullet in paying for abortions, thanks to the 112th Congress stripping Unplanned Parenthood of its trillions of dollars of tax-payer money. However, this is simply not enough. I do not want to be caught paying for other people’s mistakes. Hospitals should refuse to treat obese people who have resultant diabetes or heart conditions. No more should the truly responsible Americans have to pay for an ambulance trip for Speedy Gonzales (whose papers have yet to surface): to that end, no one who has an auto accident while going more than the speed limit will be helped. Federal assistance of all sorts should be cut (though you are working very, very hard on that and I do appreciate it, ladies and gentlemen of the Congress) in its entirety, including Social Security and Medicare. What business do those people have living in the lap of luxury when they didn’t plan for their later years?

9. Eliminate tax-payer funding for everything. In deference to the 8th piece of legislation proposed, we the people demand that taxes end immediately. I won’t pay for roads that MUSLIMS want to drive over the speed limit on. Why should it be my concern if a smoker’s house burns down? We need responsibility in all things. Even the military will have to be privatized, because I have it on good authority that the privates are sometimes less than responsible in key areas, such as weapons management and brushing their teeth after meals. If this nation is ever going to climb out of this PC mire, we need to start teaching responsibility, instead of letting everyone live on handouts.

10. Edit the Bible to take out the pro-choice parts. I had been at a loss of how to deal with this, until you fine folks read the Constitution and left out the ugly parts that dealt with slavery. It was a bad time in the U.S., but we’ve moved past that now and don’t want anyone to remember our shame. I believe the LORD GOD may have had a similar episode, as it has come to my attention that the Bible is overwhelmingly pro-choice. There are several passages that refer to life as beginning with ‘first breath (Genesis 2:7, Job 33:4, Ezekiel 37:5&6),’ with fetuses being worth less than born children, both monetarily and in the eyes of the LORD (Exodus 21:22, Genesis 38:24, Leviticus 27:6, Numbers 3:15, Numbers 31:17-18, Psalms 137:8), GOD using abortion as a means of testing fidelity or punishment (Numbers 5:12-31, Hosea 9:11-14, Exodus 11:4-5 and 12:29) and with GOD showing particular attention to one fetus or subset of fetuses, but not extending it to any others (Jeremiah 1:4-5, 1 Corinthians 14:34, Ephesians 5:21-27, 1 Timothy 2:9-15), among others. We need to make sure that these parts of the Bible are swept under the rug to save GOD’s shame, the same way you wonderful folks were able to keep up the good names of our FOUNDING FATHERS.

To that end, I send you this letter, ladies and gentlemen of the 112th Congress of these United States. I think you’ll find that my demands are not unreasonable and are representative of the constituencies who elected you. I thank you for your time and ask that you carry this legislation forth.

Most sincerely yours,

Maryanna Price

Slacktivism

As a young feminist, I’m constantly told by my aging counterparts that young feminists aren’t doing enough.

As a young liberal, I’m constantly told by my aging counterparts that young liberals aren’t doing enough (or, indeed, anything).

As a young voter, I’m sick of hearing it. I vote, I campaign, I sign and circulate petitions, I write a snarky blog and, on the off chance I have some spending money, I donate it to causes I care about (or buy candy with it).

I don’t currently have the means to donate to all the causes I care about and, if I did, I probably wouldn’t donate because  there’s some horrible story of corruption behind almost every charity I find. Clicking on petitions and spreading them around is just about all I can do that seems to have any chance of not sending money to the baddies.

Other young people I know are in a similar boat. Almost no one is trustworthy when it comes to…anything. Not only that, but the vast majority of my generation (and every other; I refuse to put all the blame on us) are complacent, naïve and ignorant. Sometimes willingly, sometimes just because they have other interests or obligations. When I tell people about what’s going on, they tend to get at least mildly worked up about it, but then their interest fades after they’ve clicked the petition.

Are we a generation without an attention span? I’m not so sure. We laboriously watch ‘Jersey Shore’ and memorize the lines to movies and shows. We play video games for hours and, despite what people say, we have more schoolwork than almost any group in the U.S. that preceded us. Homework in kindergarten? What?

While many blame the media for turning us into a bunch of know-nothing, apathetic slackers, I blame the media for keeping us there.

Most of the people I know who would do something if they weren’t too busy at The Gap weren’t even born when the Fairness Doctrine was repealed. Almost immediately after its repeal, hate radio and violent rhetoric (most of it on the side of the Right) skyrocketed and the voice of the Left petered out into the flaccid whimper it is today. The closest most people my age get to news is Yahoo Headlines, TMZ or hairy-legged feminazis like me posting links from the biased (but rarely wrong) HuffPo and Alternet.

Caring is exhausting. For a generation of young people who have had to go to school, then soccer practice, then run home to do AP physics before heading to their required community service hours (like we had in Baltimore County Schools), is another thing to worry about really the highest priority? It’s easy to become fatigued on fourteen hours of sleep a week and “Damn it, the whales again?” becomes an increasingly attractive alternative. Is it right? No, but activists are humans, too. Even non-activists are humans and these humans have their own psychological needs to deal with. Most women’s libbers never stopped caring, but still had to be mothers and take care of their children or get a job so they could afford markers and posterboard for their protests. There are only twenty-four hours in a day, no matter how much you care.

Finally, I wish to levy a complain against the Left as a whole (though the idea of a cohesive Left is risible and this weakness is precisely the reason that the Extreme Right has become a much more powerful force). Where is the Glenn Beck of Tolerance? Where’s the Sarah Palin of Social Programs? There is no strong person to attract the young of the Left and energize them. I’m not saying that it should be the media’s job to get people to care, but these celebrity forces on the Right have done a marvelous job of getting people to do their bidding.

What has the Left given us? Well, we have Michael Moore. Other than having luscious lashes and snide movies, he doesn’t do much. What he does do isn’t that impressive to the average young person, unless they want to make documentaries. He isn’t a loud, commanding presence like Beck, nor a would-be sex pot like Palin.

We had Obama. He excited the mass just long enough to get elected and then, everyone stopped caring. He was in office with his magic wand, right? He’ll get stuff taken care of. The appalling lack of education about how the government works is a huge reason for the dissatisfaction with Obama. What do you MEAN he can’t just write an edict? What Senate? Raze the House! My experience in 9th grade government can be summed up with: Legislative, Executive, Judiciary. Supply and Demand. 2/3rds majority…somewhere. Senate has 100 people. House has a bunch. Puerto Rico’s a state?

The only other voices we have are the occasional movie star(let) talking naïvely about politics. They, like many liberals, have their heart in the right place, but have failed to educate themselves properly and cannot form a strong argument for anything other than “War hurts us all.” War totally DOES hurt us all, but something more compelling and maybe backed up by science would be much more effective. All their crooning does is turn off harder-core activists, give legitimacy to the “Clueless Liberal” stereotype and provide sound bite-fodder for the collective guffawing of the Fox News mouthpieces.

I want to believe that we can make a difference and am not going to stop my crusading. However, until we have a more cohesive unite of general “caring,” the Left is going to continue to be fragmented. It’s not fair for the older generations to call us slackers and categorically dismiss us. We lack the time, the funds, the infrastructure to do protests the way they did. They also, in typical older generation fashion, dismiss the relevance of THOSE INTERNETS. Sure, th’Internet facilitates slacktivism by promising change with the click of a mouse, but it also works wonders for disseminating information to those who do care.

The “Us vs. Them” mentality of the generation gap of Left mirrors the overall fragmentation of the Left’s special interests. Saving whales and helping gays really can be noble goals that help themselves. The Right figured this out forty years ago. Get your act together, Left. For all our talk about togetherness and brotherhood and sharing and shit, we’ve allowed ourselves to become unique snowflakes to the extreme.

Old people, accept that things have changed. Young people don’t do things the way you did, but that doesn’t mean they’re wrong or hopeless.

Young people, read your history. Old people made it so you could have things like you do now. They are invaluable resources for inspiration and guidance.

Obama seems like a nice guy.

I want to like the president.

I’d like to think he’s a nice guy. I know he has charisma. He seems to have some pretty good ideas.

I think, however, that he’s too nice of a guy and not a particularly good politician. I think he may be in over his head and I think, quite frankly, the best thing for this country to do (short of shutting the TV off for fifteen minutes and thinking on purpose) is to elect a different Democratic president in 2012.

He never stood a chance; the U.S. isn’t ready to let racism die, nor are we willing to stop pushing ourselves toward a theocracy. We aren’t ready to think about the common good, lest we get too… Europe-y.

He, like many other Dems, compromises and then wonders why people still don’t like him. It’s a sad state of affairs, but he really does seem sort of clueless.

I’m sure that, in a different universe, Obama is quite popular, all of his policies are going into effect and the whole Alternate States is doing quite well. We are not they and, unfortunately for Obama, we probably won’t be in time for the next campaign season.

Portrait of Obama as a One-Term President

Even before his inauguration, the our president’s detractors have said it is their goal to make sure Obama is a one-term president (which has somehow become a dirty word in the last two and a half years). They aren’t really the ones who control this (or shouldn’t be). Voters should not reelect a president because they realize how much better Candidate X is in his proposed policies, or look at his congressional/senatorial voting record and be floored by his innovations and proposals that made the country a better place.

Instead, they have engaged in a smear campaign against the president and all of his ideas and spent most of the time they do bother campaigning for themselves only informing voters that they were against XYZ that Obama did or that they will undo the few things he has managed to accomplish, while offering very few of their own ideas. Those ideas they have proposed are hateful (like the newly proposed H.R. 358 bill, which seeks to allow hospitals to refuse medically-necessary abortions to save women’s lives) or simply not feasible (like SD’s bid to make gun ownership compulsory in the state, just so they could say “Nanny-nanny boo-boo!” to Obama, who would not be affected by this legislation in anyway way).

Is Barack Obama unpopular? Yes. Is he unpopular because he is a really rotten guy who deserves to lose the presidency in 2012? I do not know. I sure don’t think so. On the surface, he seems like a good guy, but I haven’t been able to see many of his policies in action. He would not have been such a ‘do-nothing president’ if people allowed his ideas to go into effect. Most of what he has done has been swept under the rug and categorically dismissed as socialism. The 2010 election cycle boasted candidates whose only accomplishment advertised was standing against “Obamacare.” Websites like “What the fuck has Obama done so far” are a nice first step, but it is the job of the Obama administration to advertise these good things, not…someone, somewhere.

Democrats, voters and reasonable Republicans need to start working against the hate machine. It was not until well after most of the Democrats in Congress had been voted out that they saw fit to tell the American people “Hey, guys, health care reform doesn’t mean we’re going to come to your house and punch your grandmother in the face.” The flaccid rhetoric of “Um… Health care won’t, um… Excuse me? A-are you listening? Um… I mean, if it isn’t too much trouble…maybe you could… Um… Maybe you could listen to me for a minute? Um… Health care won’t make doctors go extinct. They’ll still make money and stuff…” cannot (and doesn’t) compare to a simple shriek of “OBAMA HATES BABIES.”

In short, Barack Obama probably will be a one-termer. If someone with more of a spine comes up in 2011, my vote will probably not go to Barry. He has alienated his constituencies by being quick to compromise and had two strikes against him from the naysayers before he was even elected (what with being a MuslimterroristNazfascisthippiesocialistcommunistangryblackman jerk and all). I recognize the need for compromise, but he compromises more things away than he should, especially when he should have learned the following things by now:

1. Your compromise will be publicized; what it actually does will not.

2. Those who don’t like you, aren’t going to.

3. Those who do like you are starting to not.

4. Unless you tell people what you’re doing before, during and after you take action, the Fact Vacuum will be filled by other people’s ideas of “Facts.”

5. You are the President. You don’t have as much power as people think, but you do have aids and staffers who could get the word out about what you’re doing. It won’t be easy or popular, but people are willing to listen to the truth* if it gets hammered into their heads hard, often and loud enough*.

*Or not, since 40% of the U.S. population still doesn’t believe in evolution.

Feminism as it relates to conjugal bliss

A woman I know recently got married and posted this as her Facebook status:

“‘The secret to a happy marriage remains secret.’ -I don’t think so. There’s Love, food, food, oh and did I mention food? It’s true. A wife who loves to cook or learns to love cooking becomes like a sorceress who dispenses happiness. Advice also applicable to fiances and girl-friends everywhere. -Go forth women and cook for your men!”

While perhaps not the most contemporarily-worded sentiment, I don’t disagree with the basic notion of this comment: cooking is a nice way to show someone you care about them. I cook for my boyfriend and he does the same for me. My parents cook for each other and for me.

What irks me is that this girl used to be a very dedicated feminist and activist. No, that’s not what irks me; she probably still is all these things. The problem lies in a comment left by one of her friends:

“haha i remember the days when [so and so] would constantly say feminist jokes and you would get mad at him. congrats on getting married […]!”

I’m happy for her getting married, but does feminist really have to be a youthful “phase” to be passed out of? Does marriage provide the extra push for an angry woman to ‘level up’ into a well-adjusted wifey who understands how things really work? I don’t think so.

I wish her all the best in her marriage, including delicious food, but I sincerely hope she doesn’t leave who she was while embarking upon this new chapter of who she is.

Sexism Round-Up: November and December

I’ve decided to start a blog, since that’s a bit more effective (in theory) than just griping in Facebook.

I’m due for another diatribe on the 11th, but until then, here are my two posts from Facebook. If those who commented on the original articles give me their permission, I’ll also post their comments at a later date.

November

Recently (oh, about half an hour ago), I was responding to someone’s who had been loling at a liberal who said that banning abortion would force women who came pregnant to carry it to term and that was equal to slavery. I said that:

Pro-life IS forcing a women to term and IS forcing her into labor. When someone isn’t in control of what happens to their bodies, that is NOT freedom.

The argument that “o lawl stupid slut chose to have sex” is hurtful, sexist and wrong. We help people who get into car crashes (even though they chose to drive), provide bypass surgeries to people (even though they chose to have unhealthy diets) and operate on lung cancer patients (even though they chose to smoke).

Furthermore, to say that you’re only for it in cases of rape or incest means that you only care about punishing a woman for having sex, not saving a “baby,” since it’s just as much a “baby” whether she wanted to have sex or not.

A clump of cells should not have rights that trump those of a living, breathing woman who is a part of society. If you need a gross oversimplification: the “unborn baby” is not born, meaning it is NOT subject to the rights of citizens under the U.S. Constitution. What’s more, no person, born, or unborn, citizen or non-citizen, has the right to use anyone’s body without their consent. No one can force you to donate blood or a kidney; why force a woman to give up her uterus?

There are plenty of children in the world who need homes. Let’s take care of them first before we turn to slut-shaming and depriving women of their bodily autonomy.

The response I got was:

I was talking about the forced labor= slavery one, you might want to try some midol though

He didn’t try to defend the “right to life.” He didn’t try to give an argument based on Constitutional law. He assumed that I was just another PMSing skirt.

No one, no one, would say to a Black man: “You might want to try some chicken, though” without expecting repercussions. No one would offer a Jew some money to make the problem go away. No one would tell a man to go take some Viagra and few people would tell a gay man to go shopping (though they may tell a lesbian to get laid). And yet, when I tell people “You know… That was pretty sexist…” I get laughed at. There is no “Oh, gosh, I’m really sorry, I didn’t mean it” that we hear when someone gets called out for “racial insensitivity,” nor the uncomfortable silence in the room when someone goes a “bit too far.”

Sexism is everywhere. The next topic on the forum was:

I hate girdles, spanx, wonderbras, etc. WOMEN, QUIT ****ING LYING TO ME. And then you wanna try to have sex with the lights off? My ass. If your body unrolls, unfolds, or collapses when you take off your clothes, I’m taking the window.

Last week, when I was arguing in a pro-choice forum (totally different from where those two posts came from), I was asked why I hate men so much. As my six female friends may have noticed, I don’t hate men. Men are great. I’m half man; my father was one. I don’t put up with crap, though. People act as though it’s some feat of strength for a woman to stand up for herself, but when she starts asking for (gasp!) rights and protections, she suddenly becomes a PMSing bitch. When I moved into my house, one of my roommate’s fathers told me that I was expected to “keep these men in order” and rattled off some other equally offensive (though I’m sure innocently-intended) blurbs, including things like how I’d be cooking, cleaning and going grocery shopping. When I muttered a confused, diplomatic “Oh, um, I’m not sure about all that…” he responded with “Oh, I forgot. You’re a woman; how could I be right?” This was the second time I had met the man. Earlier this semester, a teacher made a comment grouping all women together based on a stereotype and punctuated it with “I mean, I’m not being sexist or anything, just saying…” I imagine that ellipsis went something “…that all women are the same.” This was one of the first “I’m not sexist, but…” statements I’ve heard, meaning that there is some undercurrent of awareness, but the fact that it happened and everyone in the class laughed (even the girls) shows that sexism has yet to become as acrid as racism.

One of the only arguments I had ever heard against Hilary Clinton during her campaign was that she was a “bitch.” What did she do? No one mentioned her experience or lack thereof, nor the pros and cons of her proposed legislation. Nope, Hilary was just a bitch and that’s reason enough to not vote for her. The other one (and there was only one other) argument was that she would “start nuclear war every twenty-eight days.” Not sure if anyone else noticed, but (in addition to that being terribly offensive) Mrs. Clinton is in her sixties. I don’t think she’s had any “nuclear war” to deal with since before her husband’s first term in office.

When I was a little girl, all I wanted to be when I grew up was a boy. They had cooler toys, more comfortable clothes, were more fun to play with and weren’t destined to be mommies, teachers, nurses or… … … fat bus drivers? cat ladies? crazy art teachers? hairy-legged liberals? Little girls are told they can be princesses (the medieval equivalent of a poker chip) and have baby dolls marketed directly to them. Little boys’ toys do things, change shape, make noise, create things and, most importantly, aren’t suitcases, ties and business model slides.

My point is this: If you consider yourself my friend, or casual acquaintance, or even if you just want to piss off some dark, nebulous “The Man” somewhere, please speak up (and out and over) about sexism. In light of the recent suicides of gay teens, I’ve been musing a lot about my own identity and I’ve decided that being a woman can be just as damaging in many ways. I do not wish to make light of what has happened, but rather to show people the very real, very tangible comparisons; for too long the rights of gays, as those of women, have been used as a stepping stone for politicians. Those opposed to them brag about how they’re “protecting America” while those in favor of them are always willing to sacrifice the wants of their constituencies to bargain with the “baddies.” I will not be walked over anymore, because my uterus is not a podium.

This Winter, I’m going to begin hatching my plan to be the Fox News of feminism…except not crazy, hateful, lying, paranoid, racist… Scratch that. I’m going to humbly attempt to be a sane, level-headed voice for feminism. It’s not a dirty word and I won’t let the likes of Sarah Palin steal it from me. I’m not sure exactly what I’ll be doing or how I’ll do it, but my platform is this:

*Reproductive freedom is vital to women attaining their place as equals in the world. I am not “anti-life.” I do not want to kill babies. I do not want to coerce women into having (or not having) abortions. I will seek to discredit “Crisis Pregnancy Centers” for what they are, dispel popular misconceptions about abortion and contraception and let people know that being pro-choice is all about choices, not about death.

*Pornography is sometimes sexist, but it’s not inherently wrong. In a society that has such a virgin-whore complex with its female citizens, pornography must be allowed, including (but not limited to): depictions of bondage, scat, sex with multiple partners and (ONLY in the drawn or CG format) loli/shota and beastiality. These aren’t my thing. I derive no pleasure from them, but many adults (men and women) do. A viable system of release must be made available for men and women on demand, without apology. Whether this be physical sex or pornography, they have their rights as consenting adults to pursue them. As for depictions of beastiality and young participants, my aim is this: Some people are broken. They have a drive to see things most of us would think of as terrible. However, if these drives can be slaked by watching a cartoon ten year-old, I would rather that be legal than have the tension build until something happens to a real child. If someone takes these images and becomes so obsessed with the fantasy that they go out and harm a real child, they should be duly punished. However, it is my firm belief that they would have done this anyway and the images will help more people than harm (I will gladly accept comments, critiques and flames on this view and look forward to debating them with anyone).

*Raising awareness that sexism hurts and that most women don’t even realize it. Sex and the City is a minstrel show in Prada. No group in the history of the world has ever played so eagerly into the stereotypes set up for itself. As with pornography, consenting adults have the right to watch things like that, but there are no depictions of women who don’t conform to the norm other than snarky, unlikable bitches (Juno or any of the other “zany off-beat hipster bitch” tropes gurgling to the forefront of media visiblity) or crazy cat women (Wanda from Wishbone).

*Reasonability: If what I said before offended you, I’m sorry. I recognize that there is a middle ground and not all crazy cat women are making fun of women (Crazy Cat Lady is one of my favorite Simpsons characters), but the lack of any decent role models for girls is a bit upsetting. Also, legalize pot already.

*Other stuff. As I said, this crusade (whatever it may be) is in its infancy. I welcome criticism and advice from you all. In the meantime, I entreat you all to speak up when you hear or see sexism. Share this note with your friends, if you like. And, when I take my message on the road…let me and my soapbox crash on your couch in between speeches?

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December

It’s December 11th and as good a time as any for my monthly diatribe about people and the women they hate. I hope to address the issues raised by others in my previous “newsletter” and will, as always, be delighted to hear your feedback. I was positively floored by the responses I got to November’s note and forced to think harder about my positions. In the interest of keeping people’s sensitive opinions their own, I’m not currently naming names while addressing issues, but will let them be known in the interest of fostering communication between my friends if they give their consent. As always, I welcome you to air your opinions and to share this with your friends if it touches you. Thank you for reading, good luck on finals, happy (belated) Hannukah and early Christmas, Kwanzaa and Solstice.

Old Business

In this section, I hope to answer the points raised by others’ after their reading of my first article. If you recognize what I say as your comment and notice that I’ve misquoted or misrepresented you, please feel free to call me out on it.

After my last article, I was told that I shouldn’t presume to know how feminism (or the lack thereof) affects women of other races, religions, creeds, nationalities, ethnicities or socioeconomic class. This is true. I want all of my friends, no matter their gender or background, to be willing to help me in my fight for women’s equality and freedom and all of the benefits it would entail. Right now, my focus is mainly on what women face in the U.S., since that’s my main frame of reference, but I would like to hear from friends in other countries and raise some hell on their behalves as well.

My comments about depictions of child pornography offended some people and with good reason: It’s a sensitive issue and there is no way to really mitigate the horrors that pedophilia entail. I maintain my position that a drawn alternative is infinitely preferable to the real thing and I feel confident that few people would disagree inasmuch as a real child isn’t being harmed. But the question boils down to whether such depictions should be allowed freely, or if they should be controlled. In discussion with my boyfriend and other people, its being meted out carefully like methadone came up.  This would be an effective therapy, perhaps, but it hinges on people’s willingness to come forward as pedophiles. Unless there were asylum laws to prevent these people (for the sake of argument, I’m assuming they have never committed a crime) from being charged with pedophilia, no one would participate. Again, I feel confident in saying that asylum for pedophiles is a bad fucking idea. There is a difference between pedophiles who don’t act on it and those who do, but the delineation in the enforcement of these laws would be burdensome and would most likely result in guilty people going free while those seeking help went untreated. At this time, I have no good solution for this.

As an aside, I would like to push for the definition of “child pornography” to clarified. Being sexually aroused by a five year-old is not the same as having lustful feelings for a thirteen year-old, nor the same as a seventeen year-old. There ought to be nuances within the law to reflect this. A sixteen year-old girl sending a picture to her seventeen year-old boyfriend is not the same thing as a ten year-old boy being held in a basement somewhere.

The final point I would like to address as ‘old business’ is a comment someone made about how degrading pornography is to the actresses (though I’ve also heard of many young men doing homosexual porn in their desperate times as well). She worried about women who think their only choice is to sell their bodies. My response to her was this: “As for the porn, I can understand what you mean. Right now, I think the degradation in porn is endemic of our society’s sexism. Women who say they’re using their bodies freely are, by and large, fooling themselves (though some to legitimately like it and more power to them). I don’t really care one way or another what the people watching it think, but you have an excellent point about the “stars.” Sex slavery happens to women from all over the world and it’s only rarely reported on.

A woman can too easily fall into the trap of feeling that she’s only valued for her body, whether it’s to be maternal or to be a hole, but that also falls to society at large to address: Until girls feel self-worth *before* they run into dire straights (that is, teaching little girls from infancy that they’re more than a pretty face or a mommy-to-be), the issues of “willing” sex occupation cannot be adequately addressed without turning to some form of slut-shaming.

Animated porn could be very effective; CG get more realistic all the time and some people can draw very, very well. I not sure I agree 100% with converting all porn to animation (certainly not right away), but your idea is a really cool one and, if it did happen, I’d support it. I’m not sure how feasible it would be (especially since many people, men and women, like watching it and plenty of others enjoy participating in it). As a thought exercise, I propose to you this: What if the only “legal (for lack of a better term)” real-life porn were amateur? That is, under the public domain, porn would be created by people for pleasure, mutual benefit and free distribution, rather than there being a pornography industry, as it exists currently? Again, I doubt it’d be very feasible, but there’s no harm in aiming high at the onset.”

Abortion Rhetoric

We have a horribly anti-choice Congress right now and a lot of spineless Democrats in both the House and the Senate (there are plenty of Dems with spines, but they’re the Blue Dogs who like fetuses more than women anyway). This is horrifying and I’m not above telling each and every one of you to BE AFRAID. Our reproductive rights are in serious jeopardy and I’m not confident in President Obama’s willingness to make people unhappy. He’s a good man, but an idealist who wants to please everyone. Over the past fifteen years, the Religious Right has moved further and further right and demanded that we meet them in the middle (à la Bill Maher: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfHD36sWQBo).

I really have no qualms with meeting people in the middle when there is a reasonable compromise to be made, but this really isn’t one of those issues that can be treated that way. The closest we can ever come to middle ground with this is “No one will ever force you to get an abortion, so please don’t ever force me to have a child.” If you allow the government to make laws about when someone must have a child, it’s only fair to accept it when the government makes laws about when you may not. People often talk about the middle ground being “reducing abortions.” This is a noble goal and, in the perfect world, abortion would not be necessary. This is not a perfect world and reducing the number of abortions means that there will be a reduction in the numbers of clinics. This will only damage women who do need those services, because they won’t be able to get to a clinic in time. Hospitals don’t often perform abortions and, when they do, they’re much more expensive than most clinics. Until the stigma of abortion is reduced or we have more GYNs and hospitals willing to provide these services at a more affordable price, we must NOT allow these places to be closed in the name of “Compromise.”

Another way women have been thrown under the steamroller of compromise is with late-term abortion being demonized and illegal in almost all circumstances. In anything, this should be the last form of abortion made illegal. Why? Because it’s so much more than a slutty sixteen year-old who didn’t make up her mind for seven months. Late-term abortion is expensive, traumatic and profoundly non-cosmetic. These were wanted children, these are women who want to be mothers. These women find out something awful and need to make a decision they never thought they’d have to: They’ll die if they give birth or the child will be born without a brain. Do not allow these women to undergo more trauma at the hands of misinformed ideologies.

I’ve said this before and will say it again (because I run out material quickly and recycle my jokes and stories): Telling women to “take responsibility” doesn’t help anything and I would like to see how having a child you can’t afford, love or care for is responsible. “Just give it up for adoption, then.” Are you serious? How can you act like abortion is a gut-wrenching decision women will regret and question for the rest of their lives but act like giving away a child is a walk in the park? Even if you never wanted the child in the first place, it’s callous to assume that all women would be able to just give up their child after having carried it around for months. I’ve hated pieces of furniture, but thought the room looked empty once they were gone. In fact, it seems to me the only people who ever acknowledge adoption, abortion or parenting as a serious, difficult decision to be made carefully are the baby-killers like me on the pro-CHOICE side.

Nobody is anti-life and I really wished the opposition hadn’t hijacked that word. If we had had that idea in 1973 and called ourselves ‘pro-life,’ as in “No more women dying from botched abortions,” we could have won thirty years ago. I want them to call themselves what they are: Limited-Choice, Anti-Choice, Anti-Woman, Pro-Birth, Pro-Dark Ages, Pro-Subjugation. I’m very pro-life: I am pro-quality of life and they’re simply pro-quantity.

Also, please consider this a plea to all pro-lifers: Would you pretty please stop using the line “Abortion hurts women” in your arguments? If things that hurt women were made illegal, childbirth would be the first to go. End of discussion.

Newsreel

There’s been a lot of talk about the Pope having “okayed” condom use (here’s an article for reference: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/21/world/europe/21pope.html?_r=1). He, in fact, did not and I hope to set everyone straight about this right now. It’s still not okay to use condoms if you are Catholic. The only thing he said it might, kinda, maybe, sorta be okay for is use by “male prostitutes,” not to prevent STDs or anything, but rather as a “a first step in the direction of a moralization, a first assumption of responsibility” and, presumably, walking back to the way of righteousness and being cured of The Gay.

Dear The Pope,

I’m not sure if you’ve noticed, since your fine organization has spent much of the last two millennia hating on women, but there are far more women who are prostitutes in the world than male ones. Of these, many have a larger clientele and a larger pool of potential customers. These women could reach a lot more souls for responsibility-taking and would, in the end, lead many, many more people to salvation. Also, I’m pretty sure that most male prostitutes aren’t the most devout Catholics. Just thought you should know.

xoxo,

‘Yanna ❤

In other disgusting news, there’s a new reality show. Instead of being the beacon of education and the elevation of culture that most reality-based TV usually is, this one objectifies women and thrusts the worst kind of people into the spotlight to become famous for being famous. It’s called “BridalPlasty.” In case you were wondering if it’s what it sounds like, yes. A group of unlikeable harpies are herded into a house to compete in challenges and the winner gets to pick a procedure from her wish list. They will not see their fiancés for four months during this time and the winner gets a small country’s economy’s-worth of plastic surgery for her dream wedding. What.

I would not marry a man who would allow me to do this. As a general rule, having a man forbid me to do anything is a major turn-off, but I’d be willing to make an exception for this one. This is all the worst bits of everything tossed into a jumbalaya of what-the-fuckism. Also, a word to these women: If you’ve just had your whole body remade, you’re going to be a bruised mess at your wedding. None of your friends will know who you are and will just eat all the shrimp and leave after figuring out what a shallow creature you are. Also, do you think your fiancé is going to wait around for you for four months? I’m not saying he’ll cheat, but I don’t think I would blame him for finding someone who loved herself for who she was. THIS is a major problem: Women who hate themselves so much for their perceived imperfections that they’re willing to have every aspect of their corporeal beings redone in a desperate bid for validation. How in the world has society been allowed to abuse its daughters like this? These poor women have (poor) men who love them and who have already given them the highest form of validation a Disney princess can hope for and they’re still worried about being inadequate. Women, my sisters, I implore you to accept yourself for who you are. People are asses and you may get some flak for being less than the air-brushed Aphrodites plastered on magazines, but they’re just a drop in the cum-bucket.

Reality Check

Since my articles have a depressing bent to them, I’d like to leave you with a bit on the lighter side. I’m going to propose some of my ideas that are mostly in jest and also evaluate some other things I’ve come across in my travels.

This first point may cause some trouble. I looking for a picture of a Mammy to prove a point and, in my naïvté, typed “slave woman” into Google Images. Near the bottom of the first page was a Black woman from a pornography website, tied up, gagged and being penetrated by some sort of machine. Fairly typical anti-woman stuff and this isn’t the point I want to argue right now. The picture had a caption about slavery being alive in the U.S. I will not deny that sex trafficking is alive and well in my fair country, but I clicked on the picture to read the rest of the article. The author of the blog wrote about how “Master” was going all of this to the Black woman and that the website this picture came from was all about keeping Black women “in their place.” The photo had the mark “HogTied.com” on it and was, very obviously, a fetish site. Intrigued and upset about a website dedicated to hating Black people, I decided to visit HogTied (I know people say this all the time, but I really, really, really was there for research purposes!).

It was not a website about Black women. It was a bondage site where women of all colors and creeds were subjugated, tied up and mercilessly boned. I looked through the thumbnails of videos up to the sixth page and couldn’t find any Black women. After page six, I felt uncomfortable and left, but I can safely say that Black women being beaten up is not the main point of this dirty website. I can understand that this would be a sensitive issue, but it seems slanderous to say a whole subset of the population gets off to the subjugation of Black women, when it’s really more about all women being put “in their place.”

Two pieces of endemic sexism in culture that I’ve encountered are probably not really all that big a deal and I shook my head to reality-check myself. 1. If men had to undergo ultrasounds internally, the technology would have been made much smaller. Ouch. 2. If men had to sit on the toilet to go to the bathroom as often as women do, we would have better auto-flush technology. In one week, I had two separate incidents of being auto-flushed on FOUR times while going to the bathroom. Anyone who knows me can attest to how little time I take on the terlet, or at least how not-much-longer-than-average I take. It’s ridiculous.

Finally, I’ve found a study that indicates many of the stereotypes of feminists are wrong. I know my dear friends all already knew that, but now, you can wave science in the face of the next person who calls who a hairy-legged, flannel-decked man-hater (source: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015102856.htm). Personally, I love flannel and not shaving, but I really like men when they aren’t making policies that damage my whole sex. According to that study, straight women who identified themselves as feminists are more likely to be in a relationship than non-feminists, have happier and more fulfilling sex lives and their partners also reported greater satisfaction.

Links

In my trawling and trolling the net, I’ve found some sites that are good for angryin’ up the blood  (most are blogs; take everything they say with a grain of salt and ask that they cite their sources). Most of them focus around abortion politics, since that’s the issue I hold most dear, but others are generally feminist or just fun to read.

http://discoverfeminism.com

http://abortiongang.org/

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/

http://www.guttmacher.org/

I don’t think this site has updated since 2003, but it has some good scans of letters of anti-choice propaganda and I really liked the part about the lies they tell on their placards with three month-olds covered in spaghetti-o’s that are supposed to represent abortions.

http://www.lifeandlibertyforwomen.org/truth_about_photos.html

That’s all I have so far. More to come…